Comments on: NTSB Colgan Air Crash Animation Flight 3407 http://www.grabairdeals.com/ntsb-colgan-air-crash-animation-flight-3407.cheap_air_deals Grab Cheap Air Deals Worldwide Fri, 10 Sep 2010 08:24:02 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: plasticbarf http://www.grabairdeals.com/ntsb-colgan-air-crash-animation-flight-3407.cheap_air_deals/comment-page-1#comment-4346 plasticbarf Sun, 14 Mar 2010 00:01:19 +0000 http://www.grabairdeals.com/ntsb-colgan-air-crash-animation-flight-3407.cheap_air_deals#comment-4346 Who hired the pilot? Who hired the pilot?

]]> By: blusheep2 http://www.grabairdeals.com/ntsb-colgan-air-crash-animation-flight-3407.cheap_air_deals/comment-page-1#comment-4347 blusheep2 Sun, 14 Mar 2010 00:01:19 +0000 http://www.grabairdeals.com/ntsb-colgan-air-crash-animation-flight-3407.cheap_air_deals#comment-4347 CIW..I hope your not a pilot at Colgan if you think a stall is unrecoverable from 1500' even with some ice. In fact this a/c climbs to 1750 AGL before the flaps are raised and the final element of the event happens. in fact they dont lose any altitude until after the flaps are raised. so while the shaker/pusher is operating they are managing to climb. I think that rules out ice being an issue and any thought that they couldn't have recovered. CIW..I hope your not a pilot at Colgan if you think a stall is unrecoverable from 1500′ even with some ice. In fact this a/c climbs to 1750 AGL before the flaps are raised and the final element of the event happens. in fact they dont lose any altitude until after the flaps are raised. so while the shaker/pusher is operating they are managing to climb. I think that rules out ice being an issue and any thought that they couldn’t have recovered.

]]> By: CIWS1 http://www.grabairdeals.com/ntsb-colgan-air-crash-animation-flight-3407.cheap_air_deals/comment-page-1#comment-4348 CIWS1 Sun, 14 Mar 2010 00:01:19 +0000 http://www.grabairdeals.com/ntsb-colgan-air-crash-animation-flight-3407.cheap_air_deals#comment-4348 I have no disrespect for the pilots. I know most of the Colgan flight crews(not this particular team however), this was still pilot error. And I really don't appreciate the dig on the Maintenance. Albany (where the Q's are maintained as well as the Saabs) have a high standard. Don't lump Colgan in with Mesa please. Nothing i have said is disrespectful to thoes who have died either. I have no disrespect for the pilots. I know most of the Colgan flight crews(not this particular team however), this was still pilot error. And I really don’t appreciate the dig on the Maintenance. Albany (where the Q’s are maintained as well as the Saabs) have a high standard. Don’t lump Colgan in with Mesa please. Nothing i have said is disrespectful to thoes who have died either.

]]> By: 7133853333 http://www.grabairdeals.com/ntsb-colgan-air-crash-animation-flight-3407.cheap_air_deals/comment-page-1#comment-4349 7133853333 Sun, 14 Mar 2010 00:01:19 +0000 http://www.grabairdeals.com/ntsb-colgan-air-crash-animation-flight-3407.cheap_air_deals#comment-4349 Ok maybe it was the crew's mistake, but don't try to defend one of the companies who ruin the regional business in the US. Companies like Colgan, Mesa, GoJet etc are the real people who we need to blame for; they are making money out of the pilots (US$16 Hour), poor maintenance, really bad ground services.And don't let me start with the majors.... so please do no disrespect the memory of all the people who died that day... and yes this includes the pilots! Ok maybe it was the crew’s mistake, but don’t try to defend one of the companies who ruin the regional business in the US. Companies like Colgan, Mesa, GoJet etc are the real people who we need to blame for; they are making money out of the pilots (US$16 Hour), poor maintenance, really bad ground services.And don’t let me start with the majors…. so please do no disrespect the memory of all the people who died that day… and yes this includes the pilots!

]]> By: CIWS1 http://www.grabairdeals.com/ntsb-colgan-air-crash-animation-flight-3407.cheap_air_deals/comment-page-1#comment-4350 CIWS1 Sun, 14 Mar 2010 00:01:19 +0000 http://www.grabairdeals.com/ntsb-colgan-air-crash-animation-flight-3407.cheap_air_deals#comment-4350 Colgan Air is one of the fastest growing airlines out there and are ranked 8th in terms of on time flights even over major airlines. They are not cheep nor are they dangerous. This was the Pilots fault not the aircraft. Blameing an entire business for the mistake of an individual is unsupportable. Colgan Air is one of the fastest growing airlines out there and are ranked 8th in terms of on time flights even over major airlines. They are not cheep nor are they dangerous. This was the Pilots fault not the aircraft. Blameing an entire business for the mistake of an individual is unsupportable.

]]> By: CIWS1 http://www.grabairdeals.com/ntsb-colgan-air-crash-animation-flight-3407.cheap_air_deals/comment-page-1#comment-4351 CIWS1 Sun, 14 Mar 2010 00:01:19 +0000 http://www.grabairdeals.com/ntsb-colgan-air-crash-animation-flight-3407.cheap_air_deals#comment-4351 Close enough that it would have been questionable at best, it still may not have had enough altitud to recover. The pilot was to blame from the start and his over reaction simply put the final nail in the coffin. Close enough that it would have been questionable at best, it still may not have had enough altitud to recover. The pilot was to blame from the start and his over reaction simply put the final nail in the coffin.

]]> By: CIWS1 http://www.grabairdeals.com/ntsb-colgan-air-crash-animation-flight-3407.cheap_air_deals/comment-page-1#comment-4352 CIWS1 Sun, 14 Mar 2010 00:01:19 +0000 http://www.grabairdeals.com/ntsb-colgan-air-crash-animation-flight-3407.cheap_air_deals#comment-4352 Yes you are correct. Pulling up in a stall is bad especially if you don't have airspeed to recover. The Aircraft's Stick pusher detected the stall and automatically nosed the plane down. The problem was A: the altitude was too low and they had no airspeed. Could this have been avoided? yes, if they had not slowed as much as they had. The Pilot made it much worse when he over reacted and hauled back on the stick against the pusher. So yeah i suppose it could have recovered but it would have been. Yes you are correct. Pulling up in a stall is bad especially if you don’t have airspeed to recover. The Aircraft’s Stick pusher detected the stall and automatically nosed the plane down. The problem was A: the altitude was too low and they had no airspeed. Could this have been avoided? yes, if they had not slowed as much as they had. The Pilot made it much worse when he over reacted and hauled back on the stick against the pusher. So yeah i suppose it could have recovered but it would have been.

]]> By: Deej1188 http://www.grabairdeals.com/ntsb-colgan-air-crash-animation-flight-3407.cheap_air_deals/comment-page-1#comment-4353 Deej1188 Sun, 14 Mar 2010 00:01:19 +0000 http://www.grabairdeals.com/ntsb-colgan-air-crash-animation-flight-3407.cheap_air_deals#comment-4353 I'm no pilot but I took 375GTB's advice and watched "Flying Cheap" by PBS Frontline. They had clips from the NTSB investigation hearing before congress. They asked a test pilot if in his professional opinion, if this was a recoverable stall. He said yes. Even if the ice killed the wings' lift, doesn't pulling up in a stall complicate things? So it doesn't matter that the pusher activated and they pulled up? I don't get it. I’m no pilot but I took 375GTB’s advice and watched “Flying Cheap” by PBS Frontline.

They had clips from the NTSB investigation hearing before congress. They asked a test pilot if in his professional opinion, if this was a recoverable stall. He said yes.

Even if the ice killed the wings’ lift, doesn’t pulling up in a stall complicate things? So it doesn’t matter that the pusher activated and they pulled up? I don’t get it.

]]> By: CIWS1 http://www.grabairdeals.com/ntsb-colgan-air-crash-animation-flight-3407.cheap_air_deals/comment-page-1#comment-4354 CIWS1 Sun, 14 Mar 2010 00:01:19 +0000 http://www.grabairdeals.com/ntsb-colgan-air-crash-animation-flight-3407.cheap_air_deals#comment-4354 Actually it really wasn't by the time they got there. They had gear down and flaps down. they were at low airspeed and were at a low altitude. They couldn't have recovered at that point. The ice Killed the wings lift. No airspeed no room to nose down and gain it back. The pilot did pull up on the sticks when it automatically nosed over to recover from the stall but it didn't matter by then. ICE+LOW AIRSPEED+LOW ALTITUDE= NTSB investigation. Actually it really wasn’t by the time they got there. They had gear down and flaps down. they were at low airspeed and were at a low altitude. They couldn’t have recovered at that point. The ice Killed the wings lift. No airspeed no room to nose down and gain it back. The pilot did pull up on the sticks when it automatically nosed over to recover from the stall but it didn’t matter by then. ICE+LOW AIRSPEED+LOW ALTITUDE= NTSB investigation.

]]> By: Deej1188 http://www.grabairdeals.com/ntsb-colgan-air-crash-animation-flight-3407.cheap_air_deals/comment-page-1#comment-4355 Deej1188 Sun, 14 Mar 2010 00:01:19 +0000 http://www.grabairdeals.com/ntsb-colgan-air-crash-animation-flight-3407.cheap_air_deals#comment-4355 Even if ice was a factor, this was still a recoverable stall. They still pulled up on the yoke. The pusher turned on and they fought that. Even if you remove ice from the equation, they did a lot wrong. Even if ice was a factor, this was still a recoverable stall. They still pulled up on the yoke. The pusher turned on and they fought that. Even if you remove ice from the equation, they did a lot wrong.

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