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Mar 3, 2010 at 02:37:42
maybe you aren’t willing to work the hours at colgan.
Mar 3, 2010 at 02:37:42
I just want to start screaming, “nose down nose down!!!” when they start stalling. Why would you pull up in a stall situation? I mean yes they were at 2300 feet but they had enough room to negate a stall and then recover…
Mar 3, 2010 at 02:37:42
@b190captain
Hey are you a pilot? What do you fly?
Be nice on this device please
Mar 3, 2010 at 02:37:42
mikemoair,
No one gives a shit how much time you have. Maybe the reason you have no job is because you are an asshole.
Mar 3, 2010 at 02:37:42
this is a not game
Mar 3, 2010 at 02:37:42
is this a game or something? :S
Mar 3, 2010 at 02:37:42
Yeah it was a terrible mistake to raise the flaps eh?
I would bet that had they been left down, between the pusher and the PF trying to keep her level, and the engines screaming at near full power, they would have started to climb at about 500 AGL.
I would like to have seen what would the plane would have done between 2:15 and 2:25 had the flaps been not raised!
Mar 3, 2010 at 02:37:42
mike, I appreciate your frustration. My cousin trained for ATP and then couldn’t land a job. Then went for ATC, and bureaucratically stupidly let go after 2 months for not being comparable with those in his group who’d been there for 6 months. The airline biz is really screwed up. Costs are unclear, safety and responsibility are hidden and passed on, fare wars hitting the crews before the boardroom…
Mar 3, 2010 at 02:37:42
Thank you for mentioning flaps up. From my view, that was the critical mistake. Flaps don’t only drag, they also increase lift and decrease the stall speed. Retracting flaps is basically decreasing wing size.
Being female has nothing to do with it, but, it’s hard to understand why anyone with more than a handful of flight hours would do this with a stall coming on?
Maybe it was the sense that putting them to 10 coincided with the pre-stall warning and then the stall. Instinctual, but mistake?
Mar 3, 2010 at 02:37:42
this is nothing but a clear case of murder by gross incompetence ‘SPELLING SORRY I CANT FIND MY DICTIONARY” but dictionary or not what i say is true,
Mar 3, 2010 at 02:37:42
@ginue02 like wow
Mar 3, 2010 at 02:37:42
look: pilots that stall, pilots drunk, pilots running off runways, pilots over flying airports by 150 miles, and here is sit sober, clean record, 9300 hours ATP, typed in two jets, king air trained and I am unemployed? a big what the fuck america
Mar 3, 2010 at 02:37:42
@fs757 any airplane can be stalled at any speed, what you mean to say is they needed to reduce the angle of attack. but i guess they were too busy picking their noses to get into that situation in the first place.
Mar 3, 2010 at 02:37:42
no huge ego here, huge penis yes, but i live with it, the horror the horror
Mar 3, 2010 at 02:37:42
I wonder how much force is required to push down the nose of a Q400 after the autopilot had dialed up full nose up trim? How far below MDA would the plane had dropped if he had forced the nose down?
Mar 3, 2010 at 02:37:42
When an aircraft like that goes into a stall at 120 knts, the thing to do is push the nose down to gain airspeed and throttle up until at the appropriate airspeed to continue near-level flight. The pilot in this case pulled the nose up in the stall, which meant losing even more airspeed which sent it into a spin which was in this case, unrecoverable…
Mar 3, 2010 at 02:37:42
i lived around the place where the plane crash but my friend live like really close to the crash
Mar 3, 2010 at 02:37:42
It would appear that they set the approach configuration too far in advance of the glideslope. That would cause the slowdown and the autiopilot woluld have attempted to maintain the altitude causing the nose high attitude. When the shaker went off causing the autopilot to drop out the pilot was probably going over the checklist or something. I’ll bet the pilot was worring more about decending below MDA rather than the airodynamics of his plane.
Mar 3, 2010 at 02:37:42
In my opinion it is remarkable, that the aircraft lost 47 kts of airspeed within 21 seconds. From 22:16:06, when they lowered the gear until 22:16:27 when the autopilot went off and they stalled. During this timespan the power lever is at “Fligth Idle”.
Mar 3, 2010 at 02:37:42
have respect wtf are you saying? what is the difference between what they did and charles manson, they might as well have shot the passengers in the head! the end result is the same
Mar 3, 2010 at 02:37:42
gee i dont know flying freight single pilot raw data at night and i didnt get killed these guys could fly with a flight director how easy can they make it. jezzzz. tell it to the lawyers who i hope are sueing this airline out of existance.
Mar 3, 2010 at 02:37:42
i dont make mistakes that will kill me, and the one they make you learn of leason 2!! in private pilot flying and my dead friend count in aviation is 27 what is yours? oh yes all from aviation,
Mar 3, 2010 at 02:37:42
I sincerely hope that you never encounter the horrible moment when you realize that, despite anything you do, you are going to crash.
Have respect for your dead brother and sister pilots. We are the few who have the skill to operate a heavier-than-air piece of metal. Many of which do it for a pittance simply because, once they rotated off the ground for the very first time, they could think of nothing else that was as pure.
Mar 3, 2010 at 02:37:42
Ok was it pilot error. Yes. Are you some kind of superhero pilot that you never make any mistakes? And you wonder like in your previous quote, “what can I say, ATP here with 9300 hours who never could get a shitty commuter job…”
Sounds like you have a huge ego and I would never have you in a cockpit. Its nice that you are confident in your flying abilities but flying a 100LL single or multi w/ a couple passengers in SoCal is a bit diff than a 40 pass commuter in winter IFR conditions.
Mar 3, 2010 at 02:37:42
Woah cool animation!