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Korean Air Flight 801 (KE801, KAL801) crashed on August 6, 1997 on approach to Antonio B. Won Pat International Airport, Guam (a United States territory). Flight 801 was normally flown by an Airbus A300, but Korean Air had scheduled the August 5-6 flight to transport Guamanian athletes to the South Pacific Mini Games in American Samoa, the airline designated HL7468, a Boeing 747-300 to fly the route that night. FINAL
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Mar 26, 2010 at 17:00:12
What the fuck? Its awsome!
Mar 26, 2010 at 17:00:12
How is repeating yourself supposed to stop racism?
Mar 26, 2010 at 17:00:12
I wouldnt have to if people didnt call me a racist and question my reasoning.
Mar 26, 2010 at 17:00:12
you have NO excuse to keep repeating yourself.
Mar 26, 2010 at 17:00:12
Yes those people are at fault but not as much as the flight crew are. The pilot in command of a civil airliner has a huge responsibility. Every decision theymake must be made with the safety of their passengers as the first concern.
In particular, there was no excuse for their ignoring the minimums call for 3 minutes, there is no excuse for their attempting a visual approach in those conditions and there is NO excuse for 2 experienced pilots to get the TOGA procedure wrong.
Mar 26, 2010 at 17:00:12
Similiar to the American 965 Disaster in Cali, Colombia, because the captain order his copilot to put on the speed brakes but when they got the GPWS Alarm, they did pull up, but the speed brakes were still deployed so the plane’s rate of descent was great, so it impacted the mountain, only 3 survived or so.
Mar 26, 2010 at 17:00:12
majority of pilotes flying commerciale jetes all in the world are welle qualifye for theire jobes but blind to the realle dangers of aviation environment
Mar 26, 2010 at 17:00:12
Hey kids– DRUGS ARE BAD
Bogycraper— meating? meat=from a cow, food..
I think you meant.. meeting
simples– ??? i believe it’s “Simple”
Mar 26, 2010 at 17:00:12
On the official transcript of the cockpit voice recorder, 3 whole minutes after the minimums call the FO says “not in sight, missed approach” then after the capitain takes no action he repeats “missed approach”.
Why didnt he begin the go around himself? The captain of an aircraft, like the master of a ship, used to be beyond question. It was unheard of for a first officer to tell the captain he was wrong.
For this reason, 80% of controlled flights into terrain happen with the capt flying
Mar 26, 2010 at 17:00:12
fightingtemeraire: i know nothing about airplanes and aviation, but what you say does makes sense. i guess the pilot made bad judgement cuz he was kinda tired…
but why didnt the co captain say anything? he didnt seem tired also…
Mar 26, 2010 at 17:00:12
They did eventually decide to go around, but they didnt make a very good job of it. Go around procedure is
Power up
Nose up
Gear up
Flaps up
Speak up
The captain applied go around power, but then only raised the nose by 1degree. It is normal to bring the nose up at least 15 degrees. The NTSB concluded that, even with the go around procedure being very late, if the captain had made a proper go around starting from when he increased power, he could have saved the aircraft.
Mar 26, 2010 at 17:00:12
I have seen a few cases of pilots being scapegoated for routine operational failures, and this isnt one.
There was NO excuse for the aircraft repeatedly descending below the minimum safe altitude.
There was NO excuse for the flight crew ignoring the “minimums” call (at this point they are required to begin a go around if they cannot see the runway).
There was NO excuse for the failure to execute a proper go around once they finally took notice of the GPWS callouts.
Mar 26, 2010 at 17:00:12
but the thing is that if ANY of the things were happened differently (ex. if it was a sunnier day, if the pilot was a bit more professional and awake, or if the FAA was more responsible), then the crash would have been prevented. we shouldn’t blame anybody…but what we can do is to put a bag in front of your legs the next time you fly
Mar 26, 2010 at 17:00:12
i get why you think that way and i feel the same way too but im not racist…and im sick and tired of people calling others racist cuz they have an opinion!!! i dont mean to offend anyone, but some of you really oughta grow up…
Mar 26, 2010 at 17:00:12
The pilots were tired that is not their fault wouldn’t anyone be tired if they were in their positions? The systems were not working and why were they not working the way that they should be working?
It all comes down to the fault of decisions makers. The management at korean air are at fault and the people who changed the systems were at fault.
Mar 26, 2010 at 17:00:12
i was 1 day old when this happend
Mar 26, 2010 at 17:00:12
Hey, let’s think this: What if the MSAW had been online? Can we be certain that the controller(s) could have distinguished the possible real warning of 801 low altitude from these “nuisance readings” or “nuisance warnings”?
Mar 26, 2010 at 17:00:12
the peeps at the airport got annoyed so they had a big shouty meating where they decided that the first person who could eat a plate of extra cheesy nachos would decide and it was the man who wanted to move the thingy mabob won
simples!
Mar 26, 2010 at 17:00:12
fightingtemeraire: If you have a problem with the Final Report which already says that there were “Multiple Causes” for this accident, then please go & make a formal complaint to the Intl. Aviation Experts who came out with this FINAL REPORT. Sorry to say but these professional Aviation Experts simply do not agree with your delusional, subjective, one dimensional nonsense rammblings of an amateur who also happens to be a RACIST. Keep crying bcus no matter how much you cry it is still amusing
Mar 26, 2010 at 17:00:12
finghtingtemeraire: Sorry Mr. Racist who wants to blame EVERYTHING on the pilots. Sorry to say but the international aviation experts who are more qualified than you will ever be in your whle life ALREADY came out with the Final Report saying there were Multiple Causes for this sad accident. Amusing to see a delusional RACIST like YOU rammble on about his own subjective amateur nonsense. Keep crying RACIST.
Mar 26, 2010 at 17:00:12
Its up to the crew to be aware of their altitude and to execute a missed approach.
The captain wats FAR too long before attempting a missed approach and when he finally does, he applies go around power and raises the nose less than 1 degree. Procedure is about 15-20degrees and anyone even with no knowledge of flying would know to pull up. The NTSB determined that even though the go around was so late, if it had been done properly then the crash would be avoided.
Mar 26, 2010 at 17:00:12
…So it is funny that you go out of your way here & try to put all the blame on the pilots when no one even said that the pilots were ‘not responsible’. Anyone can see here that your hateful distorting of facts is unethical & evil. Korean? Who would even believe a hateful person like you who love to distort the truth as you are doing here right now?
What a dirty RACIST. Come back when you no longer have a faulty & evil hating premise. Maybe then others will believe your Korean roots.
Mar 26, 2010 at 17:00:12
Your opinion is biased& unfair bcus it goes against the fair findings made by the international aviation experts& the Final Report which does not single out the pilots as the only ones responsible.
Mar 26, 2010 at 17:00:12
You make a valid point but my opinion is exactly that… an opinion and it’s up to me what I believe. I may well be wrong but who cares? Unless your penultimate statement was sacastic (which by the way, doesn’t come accross very well written on here) your last statement doesn’t make sense. I am not a racist, I am a man with an opinion. Didn’t want to mention this before but my father is Korean….. so how exactly am I a racist?
Mar 26, 2010 at 17:00:12
Since your subjective, biased, & unfair opinion completely ignores the fair results of the Final Report made by the international Aviation Experts (which says that there were multiple causes for the accident), it is obvious that you have a big problem. No one ever said that the pilots were ‘not responsible’, but you go out of your way & try to put all the blame on the pilots. Yeah sure you would say the same thing even if it was another race. Obviously a sad RACIST.